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AGE / VALUE: rthe mysterious rudge
posted by: Matt
on 8/31/2010 at 8:38:19 PM
| i have acquired a vintage rudge pathfinder phase III i cant seem to find info on it anywhere i would like to know if anyone knows its worth and possible year of production it is red and white and looks alot like the 50's style rudge's i have seen by: 96.236.7.41 |
| OK, you've piqued my interest for certain. PICTURES???? Sounds quite interesting! Later! Larry "Boneman" Bone - LEMME SEE IT!!!! Dingmans Ferry, PA, USA by: 4.248.78.70 |
AGE / VALUE: new one on me?
posted by: sam
on 8/27/2010 at 4:56:36 PM
| Check out this post off the CABE web site http://thecabe.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?11205-DL-1-Conversion by: 99.104.89.36 |
| This was my post on the CABE. Sure would love to know if Raleigh produced any more of these. Bike was bought new with the top tube in place. by: 99.156.221.178 |
| I think they did in Africa for models that were to have motors attached between the loop frame for motorized African Raleigh's What does the badge say? does it say made in England on it? We have enjoyed seeing this What year does the rear hub say? by: 71.40.121.165 |
AGE / VALUE: Famous cycling video's
posted by: Chris
on 8/25/2010 at 6:45:23 PM
| Distributor for Famous Cycling Video's inc 704 Hennepin Ave. Minneapolis, MN 55403 612-333-4594 SEARCH FOR A WEBSITE found a video today 1988 tour of Ireland Nissan classics see if they are still in business by: 69.153.86.42 |
AGE / VALUE: Famous cycling video's
posted by: Chris
on 8/25/2010 at 6:45:23 PM
| Distributor for Famous Cycling Video's inc 704 Hennepin Ave. Minneapolis, MN 55403 612-333-4594 SEARCH FOR A WEBSITE found a video today 1988 tour of Ireland Nissan classics see if they are still in business by: 69.153.86.42 |
AGE / VALUE: Phillips pedal dustcap
posted by: mark
on 8/24/2010 at 10:31:11 PM
| Srs--one of the dustcaps fell off my lovely Phillips pedal (Phillips Manhattan)--i have screwed it back on before this time where it got lost for good--the last time i noticed it was not holding well. any suggestions for keeping one on while still having access to pedal guts? plumbers tape maybe? i do have a spare cap to cannibalize but i don't want to lose it again. i assume generic caps are not obtainable/purchaseable? do you know of any? thanks by: 166.70.39.73 |
| The caps are threaded on the inside, aren't they? I think I might try slightly flattening the threads on the pedal body with a small pliers. Just a slight pinch will require a little bit of torque to get the cap on and off. It won't actually damage anything, but it will prevent the cap from unscrewing if it loosens. Try flattening the threads on a bolt and see what you think. Good luck. I'm sure those caps are hard to find. by: 216.15.114.27 |
MISC: mountie query
posted by: mark
on 8/24/2010 at 10:20:08 PM
| Sirs--for greater tyre availablity etc, how much mght be involved switching a Raleigh Mountie w/ 20 x 1 3/8 aka 451 over to the more common bmx 406 rims/tires? i want to put spare Raleigh Sports calipers on the bike, also a 3 sp AW. also want to keep the oriignal fenders.. Would there be fork or handling issues? thanks. If this is too esoteric for roadsters my apologies. this bike would be for my son. by: 166.70.39.73 |
| Hi Mark, Fitting an AW to a 20" rim, no problem just take rearwheel from a Twenty. Otherwise be careful of axle widths which may not suit the frame / forks. Matthew - measure twice cut once. by: 82.27.11.210 |
AGE / VALUE: 1951 Raleigh Dawn Tourist, 1970 DL1 and 1971 BSA 3 speed
posted by: Jason
on 8/22/2010 at 3:27:34 PM
| Dawn Tourist has both front and rear lights, full chainguard (rusty though) and all original paint and labels in good shape. Rod brakes. Needs a front dyno hub BSA is a 1970 in great shape DL1 is absolutely mint with nary. Nick or scratch, original pump etc. As new Wondering about value on these. Thanks!! by: 66.31.44.54 |
| That depends on whether they are men's or women's bikes; frame size; location, etc. etc. Photos would help. by: 98.226.154.146 |
| Okay thanks. All are men's frames. The DL1 is a 23, BSA is a 21, and Dawn Tourist is a 21.
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| Here's the dawn tourist (to be restored) http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4118/4917880745_dd9c7e790e_b_d.jpg And the BSA http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4074/4920676408_45d06862b8_b_d.jpg by: 66.31.44.54 |
| Anyone? :) by: 64.134.98.8 |
| Hi Jason, What is it about the Raleigh that makes it a 'Dawn' as opposed to a 'Superbe'? I am asking because I do not know. If you want UK values; The Raleigh - would probably struggle to make more than £20 unless some eager bidder goes mad on eBay. I sold a really good Superbe 2 yrs ago for £65 and now it would probably top £100. The BSA is a badge engineered Raleigh and could be seen as 'retro' which has lead to lots of city folk and students buying, riding and neglecting these machines they can make silly money on eBay now perhaps £60+ but previously they would have struggled to make £40.Brand new in 1975 the BSA would have retailed for about £39.99 Matthew - what are words worth? by: 82.27.11.210 |
| Hey thanks Matthew - The Dawn tourist (the one with the rusty chainguard) is a Dawn because of the 26" wheels and rod brakes. They were rare in the States, from what I gather. The other tourist you see in the picture above is a DL-1 or regular Tourist with 28" wheels, built for someone who's about 8 foot tall, etc :) re: the BSA - I thought the frame looked pretty much identical to a Raleigh! by: 146.243.4.157 |
WANTED: axle for GH 6 dynohub
posted by: Roderic D. Schmidt
on 8/19/2010 at 11:59:03 AM
| Greetings all, So in the process of reassembling my '62 Rudge Sports, I damaged the threads on the dynohub's axle. It should hold for the time being, but will strip completely soon. Does anyone have a spare they would be willing to sell or trade for? Many Thanks Roderic by: 207.246.218.205 |
| Hmmm... Front or rear dyno? I think (could be way off here) that the front may be a standard axle? If that's so, I would certainly have one of those kicking about. Let's here what the collective say pursuant to the particulars and determine what action to take from there. Cheers! Larry "Boneman" Bone - Obfuscated? No... just not sure.... by: 4.248.95.205 |
| Roderick, Front axle is 3/8 inch by 26 TPI, same as old UK bike rear axle, but shorter. If nothing else, it is possible to cut down a rear axle, but the thread would have to be fairly long. Raleigh cut the threads, but many others just rolled the thread, which would mean the cones could be screwed in past the ends of the thread. I presume you crossed the thread where the axle is flatted, I've done that in the past. by: 92.19.4.201 |
| Greetings Larry and Keith, The Dynohub I've got is for the front wheel, and I did indeed crossthread it by the flats on the end. Ach. It looks like an AW axle is my likely solution. It seems like the 6 1/4" size whould give me the most options when trimming, and I could use the center part of the axle where the sun pinion sits to replicate the 1 5/8" of unthreaded shoulder on the original axle. Does the sun pinion itself come off, or should I start saving up for a grinder? Many Thanks, Roderic by: 207.246.218.205 |
| Actually, scratch that last post- I just found the proper axle at Old Bike Trader. Not sure why I didn't notice it the first time I searched... Thanks again Roderic by: 207.246.218.205 |
MISC: Sturmey Archer Quadrant Shifters
posted by: Richard Luke
on 8/18/2010 at 4:12:59 PM
| Hi, Has anyone used a SA quadrant shifter with an AW series hub, or know if it is possible? Regards Richard by: 120.29.32.160 |
| No & Yes. Matthew - succinct by: 82.31.30.121 |
AGE / VALUE: Vintage Cycle Clothing?
posted by: Chris
on 8/17/2010 at 6:26:12 PM
| What do we know about what happened to the following? Studying this time and the places and the people who were prominent but today, there is no mention Belstaff Manufacturing Co. L.T.D. Caroline Street, Longton, Stoke-on-Trent Oil Skin made from Egyptian cambric another one is: The Canex Co. Ltd 112 City Road, London, E.C.1. Waterproof cycling caps, track suits, pullovers another one: H.W.Carradice, Leeds Road Works, Nelson, Lancs W.G. Cheese L.T.D. 326-327 Bradford Street Birmingham 5 Bertram Dudley and son L.T.D. Brook Street, Cleckheaton, Yorks Ossie Dover 160 Kensington, Liverpool 7 The Tricycling Talor who specializes in shorts, plusses,and divided skirts Dunlop Clothing and Weatherproofs L.T.D. 10-12 King Street, London Lutz Duarsport, 63 Macdonald Street Birmingham for woolen garmets Benny Foster Sports Products L.T.D. Oakengates, Shropshire Holdsworthy Co. L.t.d. Lullington Road, Anerley, London this is one of the few that are still with us, perhaps Ron Kitching: is another one who is still with us Modo L.T.D. Model Factory Valleyfield, Dunfermline Raxar Sport, 362 Staines Road, Hounslow A. Schindler and Sons, 4 Bow Road, London D.J. Smith 145 Washway Road, Sale, Cheshire Arthur S. Waltho and Son L.T.D. Moor Street, Rusholme, Manchester There are more! These were the dealers who sold cyclists clothing, camping gear and everything else. What happened to them? With the exception of Kitching who is like a god. by: 69.153.86.42 |
| Can't help with Vintage British clothing. But in America, "Bike" Brand sports clothing is still making what they made in the 1890s when they started. by: 99.104.89.129 |
| Belstaff been bought out by Italians. I've seen their trad. style jackets retro'd up and sporting a huge price tag of several hundred pounds, complete with 'made in Italy' label (in a fashion outlet not a cycle shop). Read the demise here: http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/fashion/features/how-did-an-oldfashioned-british-manufacturer-of-motorbike-clobber-become-the-label-of-choice-for-the-hollywood-set-1859743.html Chas by: 62.49.24.58 |
| Chris, I'll fill in what litle I can remember. Belstaff made all types of waterproof clothing, a full range for motorcyclists, similar to our outdoor waxed jackets now. Canex? can't remember. Carradice tough saddlebags and panniers, also hard wearing jackets. Cheese was a trade wholesaler supplying retail shops, typically tyres, rims, all Phillips, SA parts, spokes, and much more. Dudley can't remember. Dover made 1930's style cycle clothing direct to user. Dunlop rubberised waterproof. Lutz Durlacher I knew well, knitted fine wool fabric from best 2 ply wool, on 2 upright commercial knitting machines, and made it up into some of the best soft wool cycling garments. Benny Foster I think was more of a promoter Holdsworthy imported Campagnolo, d'alessandro tubulars, made good value frames (F Grubb, C Butler, and Holdsworth) and had a long list of goods supplied to the trade. Ron Kitching I knew well. Imported Cinelli, Vittoria tubulars, Mavic rims (as Milremo) huge book of lines, often not in stock. Schindler can't remember. Don Smith made racing clothing and track suits, mostly in rayon. Waltho another largish general cycle trade wholesaler. Chambers and C Wren were local retail shops. by: 92.1.34.91 |
| Thanks for the reply's. You know, it has been really interesting I buy a big box of old Cycling and Mopeds magazines and old cycling copies from a fellow in Michigan And leaf thru those faded yellow pages and am carried away to another place and time and these ads, even the ads are special. Ads for Pride and Clarke the scooter and bubble car people They were huge! oh the inventory they must have carried!!! WOW! Oh Pride and Clarke! What a huge magical wonderland what fun it was I never saw it, only thru the pages of Cycling. If you have been there and seen these places you were lucky indeed. I feel like I missed the show and all I get to see is the program. But what a program! I got to see Johnny Helms's work those wonderful cartoons so gentle and good those dogs yow! and because of other back issues I was able to find him and speak to him and leave a few words when he passed away. I was able to mine those fertle magazines and help folks here and other places with help pass it along keep the torch lit. It has been amazing. All thanks to Clifford and his boxes he took to the jumble. When you go to the flea market or jumble as they say over the pond always bring more money with you that you should because that's where the magic is to be found. I wanted to get this stuff up here, where it will live on and be discussed. Don't get me wrong the internet is great but still 9/10 ths of all we look for is not gonna be found here but in cliffords boxes by: 71.40.121.165 |
| Chris wrote If you've ever seen the classic 1966 movie 'Blow Up' there is a scene where David Hemmings drives a Rolls Royce down Stockwell Road where every building is painted red. All those red buildings are Pride & Clark's premises. better known as Pride & Shark due to their money making loan's for anyone buying a motorcycle in the 50's or 60's Chas by: 62.49.24.58 |
| http://www.belstaff.com/ http://www.carradice.co.uk/ Just the most prominent two of your list. Matthew - re-search by: 82.31.30.121 |
| What because of Lutz and his equipment? Has he passed on? Did anybody carry on or did everybody close? Thanks Keith by: 69.153.86.42 |
| Chris, I put them all in the past tense, but not really sure. Lutz was a good track racer, rode the Maccabiah (Israel)games about 1956. I know he carried on for a few years, but I expect costs of materials, Italian competition, and redevelopement of the old workshops all played a part. He told me once how he rescued his knitting machines when he saw them being wheeled away by thieves. Keith by: 92.7.25.23 |
| So much of it has been wheeled away, one way or the other ... Thanks for you input! by: 71.40.121.165 |
AGE / VALUE: Ernie Chambers
posted by: Chris
on 8/17/2010 at 5:55:48 PM
| Ernie Chambers for Viking, Dawes, Sun, Raleigh 105 London Road Mitcham, Walton on the Hill, Tadsworth, Surry Another dealer what can you tell us? thanks Keith! humberchristopher29@hotmail.com by: 69.153.86.42 |
| Tadworth Surrey (my village), not Tadsworth Surry; have never heard of them! Mitcham is about 10 miles north. Only one bicycle shop in Tadworth/Walton on the Hill, second or third generation and not C&V friendly at all. Chas by: 62.49.24.58 |
AGE / VALUE: Cyril Wren question for Keith
posted by: Chris
on 8/17/2010 at 5:47:04 PM
| From an Ad in Cycling October 7, 1959 Cyril Wren District agent for Dawes, Falcon, Viking, Carlton,Sun,B.S.A.Hercules,Grubb,Holdsworth,Hopper,C-B and of course, Wren Cycles terms for local ridersat The Clubmans Cycle Shop 78 Richmond Road Kingston- on Thames Keith, what can you tell us about this fellow and his bikes. There is no page on him giving him his place in Cycling history Will you e- mail Classics rendezvous and urge them to do a write up? Or post it here? Sounds like he did quite a lot of business and I am fascinated to hear what you can tell me or us. I am bothered by the fact that Cyril Wren has no mention really, on the web. Another place I would like to visit but it's long gone isn't it? Do you know when he passed on? Thanks Chris by: 69.153.86.42 |
| Hi I used to work in this shop of a saturday,which would have been the late 1940's. Cyril's original name was Uren, but it took him a while to get ruynd to changing it! they did make frames and they were brazed up in the basement on a large steel jig on the wall. As i remember ther was no ventilation ! in fact I bought a Frejus frame and all the bits and made up a bike this was probably about 1950. All in it cost about £40 a lot of money then. trust this is of interest. regards fred by: 85.210.57.223 |
| Hi I used to work in this shop of a saturday,which would have been the late 1940's. Cyril's original name was Uren, but it took him a while to get ruynd to changing it! they did make frames and they were brazed up in the basement on a large steel jig on the wall. As i remember ther was no ventilation ! in fact I bought a Frejus frame and all the bits and made up a bike this was probably about 1950. All in it cost about £40 a lot of money then. trust this is of interest. regards fred by: 85.210.57.223 |
| Hi I used to work in this shop of a saturday,which would have been the late 1940's. Cyril's original name was Uren, but it took him a while to get ruynd to changing it! they did make frames and they were brazed up in the basement on a large steel jig on the wall. As i remember ther was no ventilation ! in fact I bought a Frejus frame and all the bits and made up a bike this was probably about 1950. All in it cost about £40 a lot of money then. trust this is of interest. regards fred by: 85.210.57.223 |
| Thanks for your reply. The website "Classics rendezvous" on the web has a section where they are adding new pages and adding to existing pages of makers, names, all the makers and people in each country. It's a great effort but there is so much work to do to make it better. I tend to hang out here but I just want it down somplace, and mentioned someplace and this is as fine a place as any other. I would like to see a page dedicated to Mr. Wren with photos of his bikes, photos of his shop, photos, of the man and a history of him and his bicycles. A real, decent, well written page honouring the man, rich with information for the collector, owners of his bikes, anybody interested in the history. A "lasting monument" on the world wide web. What bothers me about the Classics rendezvous page is that they don't show enough not nearly enough, the articles are too brief so often, it's nothing more than a tease. I want to see that changed. With every maker, person, company, the products themselves, not just with Cyril Wren. Or else I would like to assemble something like that here on Oldroads.com Someplace anyways. Before people like yourself are gone. I would like to invite you to join our group and comment and teach and take us back to these times and places so we have a clearer idea and picture. Speaking of pictures, photographs, Do you have any you can share with us? Is there anything else you can tell us? I got a whif of vintage bicycles at age 9 and have been a smitten kitten ever since! What about you? Please take a soap box, get up in the park here and just lecture, teach, tell us your stories and memories about old vintage British bicycles, the rides, the people, places, and things of interest. This is quite a good group here, it's getting more interesting and informative every day. Please pull up a chair hang out and take the podium! Yours in Vintage Cycling- Chris by: 69.153.86.42 |
ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Tire Size
posted by: Josh D,
on 8/16/2010 at 10:53:39 PM
| Greetings. Yesterday I acquired a Western Flyer Coventry. I bought the bike with out tires and I'm cleaning it up to ride around but I have no information on what size tire it needs. I was told it was a 1962 or 63. I'm sure the rim is a 26 but I'm not sure if it's 26 and 1/3 or what. Compared to a mountain bike rim that had 26 and 1.9 the rim on the western flyer was quite thinner but same diameter. Thanks in advance for any information. by: 216.119.169.96 |
| Almost all the common English [non-derailer] bikes use 26 x 1 3/8, which is NOT the same size as 26 x 1.375. The non-ambiguous ISO size is 590, which should be molded on the tire sidewall. by: 216.15.114.27 |
| We all need to recall that rim size has very little to do with tyre size. Any 26" tyre is 26" rolling diameter; that is the outside diameter of the tyre is 26" the rim size will differ according to the rim type. Don't get caught out; 26 x 1 1/2 tyres will not fit 26 x 1 3/4 rims nor will 26 x 1.75 fit the same rims. Check out Sheldon Brown's website for the definitive answer. Matthew - its an all round problem. by: 86.29.97.46 |
AGE / VALUE: Ron McLarty's:The Memory of Running (Book)
posted by: Chris
on 8/16/2010 at 6:38:26 PM
| The book has a picture of a Raleigh bike laying on it's side in the grass under a sky of stars. Nonetheless, I do not recommend it. Aweful book. Of all the journeys and places to go on a bike journey, the character takes us off to California to claim his mentally ill sister who has turned up in a morgue. No thanks! I'm not chasing after Bethany and I don't think you should either. The book is rather sick, actually. Run from! "The Memory of Running" by: 69.153.86.42 |
AGE / VALUE: C.J. ADIE AND NEPHEW BICYCLE BELLS
posted by: Chris
on 8/16/2010 at 4:32:57 PM
| C.J. ADIE AND NEPHEW BICYCLE BELLS History of and what happened to them: C.J. ADIE Lion works started in 1890 the factory was in Warston Lane in Birmingham, England I believe it was called Lion Works. This does need to be confiirmed but the rest of this is totally accurate as the fellow who e- mailed me this information was briefly a company shareholder and family member of the founder. Charles J. Adie was a clever entrepreneur who retired to Salcombe and who's grave can be located in the churchyard. Charles J. Adie died in 1918 The early days of the company were known for a wide range of silver plated trinkets and cutlery and the like for which Birmingham, England was so well known. The Assay mark was an Elephant. Their line of bicycle accessories were a later and highly successful line for many years. The Flying Scot bicycle, the manufacturer, David Rattray's in Scotland had C.J. Adie and Nephew Co. supply the cycle bells for their cycles due to their excellent and lovely chrome. These bells are highly sought after, and are stamped: The Flying Scot C.J. Adie and Nephew The bell is a "The Flying Scot accessory" an original one. When bikes fell from favor in the late 1960's the firm went into bathroom fittings, as fine chromium plate was long one of the company's mainstays . There were customers in Abu Dhabi then. After Charles J. Adie dies his nephew ran the business until 1944. Nephew's son Roger ran the business from the war until the 1970's. His brother Peter, a qualified solicitor was company secretary. The business folded in 1990 The fellow who e- mailed me this information, commented that he went "round the works as a child" and everybody doffed their cap to the Managing Director who was his family member and that it was Dickensian (Charles Dickens) at that time. End of part 1 (source one) Part 2 (source 2) I recieved an e- mail from the current owners and I was told the following: The original factory, factory tooling that made the bells, their old, original stock of bells that were produced but not yet sold were all sold, liquidated. the new owners, purchased the Adie name. They had bells manufactured in Germany and they put childrens cartoon characters pictures on the bells and sales were good. This was a different product, the old and all with it, were gone just the name. The Soul is totally different and the chrome, and the sound of the bell all different. End of part 2. This about wraps it up. I dearly want to find pictures of the Lion Works, and other photograps. I am disappointed that I could not get this article and some photos of the bells and photos of the other products of this company I wanted all this to be put on "Classics Rendezvous" on the web but this has not happened and there is no better place then here, on Old Roads.com where this article will live and be commented upon and thus, this work will grow. Our Webmaster, Vin, has created a way to keep every post here always growing and getting better and more detailed as time passes. In Closing, I would put the Lion Works on my to see and experience list whilst time traveling but that is not possible and apparently it is all long gone. I do not know exactly what became of the original building if it still stands or not and I hope somebody reading this can comment, post current pictures, and if anybody worked there or has knowledge of C.J. Adie and Nephew or if you sold their products we would love to hear about it here. The name alone, "Lion works" A thing to fight for, preserve and prevent from being sold off. Phillips had a factory "Britannia Works" another thing we never should have lost. Things like this, are woven into the fabric of the British flag itself. humberchristopher29@hotmail.com End. by: 69.153.86.42 |
| C.J. ADIE & NEPHEW Birmingham c- 1902. Possibly the firm is active as C.J. Adie & Nephew Ltd at Pembroke House, 7 Brunswick Sq, Bristol From http://www.silvercollection.it/electroplatesilver.html Matthew - a little research can be an interesting thing by: 86.29.97.46 |
| Chris and Matthew, I used to know Brunswick Square, looked on Google Earth and barely recognised it. Pembroke House, 7 Brunswick Square BS2 8PE appears to be let as multiple offices. I think the ground floor houses a limited company registration specialist, so the name is registered there. I suspect a dormant company, but it's easy to look up latest accounts, but needs a small fee. Keith by: 92.0.122.232 |
| thanks Keith! by: 71.40.121.165 |
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